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Posted by angelbabe43 on June 25, 2010

TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?

http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/11/eliza-presley-case-on-track-and-moving-towards-resolution.html#morePostby TS » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:16 am

After 33 years of question and debate over whether Elvis Presley faked his death: we now have the strongest scientific proofs that he really did fake his death—and in fact, he is still alive to this very day!!!!!!!! And this is not based on some lunatic fantasy whims, that Elvis is living on a paradise island; no, this is documented evidence which is so strong, that it’s the basis for a legal case which is already in court. And to top it all off: there’s a good chance that this will all be hitting the news this summer! 

PLEASE NOTE: for those who are too busy to read this entire article, at the very least read the first 2 sections (6-1 & 6-2). The 16 sections are all the redirections for http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (TIAI) from June 1 to 16 (with additional details related to each redirect). If you are new to TIAI and the redirections, a few of the sections below might not make much sense; but don’t worry too much about that—if you have time later, you can read about TIAI in these TS posts {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}.

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6-1 DNA and Other Scientific Evidence that Elvis Lives!
{http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}

Less than a month ago (on May 20, 2010), probate attorney Andrew W. Mayoras published the statements quoted in the next paragraph below, about the DNA evidence {for the full report, click the link above}. For those who are entirely new to all this: Eliza is the lady who discovered DNA evidence that she is the half-sister of Elvis Presley—and to top it all off, the DNA also proves that Elvis is still alive! Elvis lives in hiding, and has been going by the name “Jesse”—named after his twin brother, who was stillborn.

“These [DNA] reports show that Eliza and the person now referred to by many as ‘Jesse’ are half-siblings, and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. … Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive. Here’s a Memphis newspaper article about it {http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/11/dna-lab-owner-elvis-is-not-dead/]}. … if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart? Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it’s not true — unless, of course, it IS true. … I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy how they could have pulled all this off if it was a giant scam. As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive, I find it much more believable that all this evidence is legitimate than Eliza and several others having engineered this entire scam years ago, knowing that it would involve testing of DNA.”

In addition to the DNA evidence, there are several other categories of evidence. The following video clip is a cross-fade from Elvis to Jesse, and the face remains the same {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpMuybhfA8}. Section 6-4 (below) has this same picture, although it includes his whole body; and you can see Benjamin, the son of Lisa Marie Presley, sitting on Jesse’s lap.

Shirley Mason, a certified graphologist who worked for the Kansas City Bureau of Investigations for many years, analyzed letters from Elvis and from Jesse; her conclusion was that “she would testify in court, under oath, that Elvis ‘has to be ALIVE.’ She felt the handwriting was ‘UNMISTAKABLE’. The attorney general’s office cleared Dr. Hinton of all charges.” {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page3; http://www.estate-and-probate.com/michigan-probate-law/michigan-probate-law/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-ii-the-background/; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M}.

Dr. Hinton, just mentioned above, worked with Jesse for years. He also wrote a book, with the help of Jesse, titled: “The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words” {http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1561676764/sr=1-1/qid=1257006537/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1257006537&sr=1-1&seller=#noop}. As a result of all this, Dr. Hinton was charged with fraud; but after investigation (including the graphologist, above), he was cleared of all charges. {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M}. Furthermore, FOX news said Dr. Hinton passed a lie detector test {at 1:11, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4}.

The above four categories (DNA, photographic, graphologist, and lie detector) are very strong scientific evidence that Jesse is truly Elvis, and therefore he did fake his death. Actually, there is a great deal more evidence than this that Elvis faked his death {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=1342#p18198; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8jwW6IeI2Q; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qdrxAFVwU; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhb8jVN6Tl8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8}

However, for the sake of keeping this fairly short, let’s stop here and notice some very clear reasons why Eliza’s story is not some elaborate fabrication.

If this was a big joke: it would be very easy for Graceland to disprove it (provide DNA); but they have not even tried. Also, Eliza did not set out to prove that Elvis is alive; instead, she set out to find her real father—and unexpectedly stumbled across amazing evidence that Vernon Presley was her real father (and therefore that Jesse/Elvis is her half brother). She is not asking for money, she only wants the public to know the truth; if she was trying to get tons of money, then that would probably raise questions about a possible motive for attempting a scam—but she is not.

Another interesting point is that Priscilla Presley knows the truth about Elvis, and did a movie in 1998 about Elvis being alive {http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001636/; http://www.crackle.com/c/Finding_Graceland/Finding_Graceland/2481435; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4GNW2j9Gs}. It is quite interesting that 1998 is a very significant number in relation to Michael Jackson, and his fake death (see 6-8, below).

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6-2 Double-bam: ElvisAndMJ.com
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10384#p174363}

Here are some videos, with some very amazing Elvis and MJ parallels—both before and after the “deaths” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFp8DJyN68E; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnCi5uz9SY; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMmPhaAtclg; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5Bizr6osc}.

In Summary:
King of Rock / King of Pop
Graceland / Neverland
Lisa Marie Presley daughter / wife (no doubt MJ learned some hoax tips)
“Death” was claimed drug related, and heart related
“Died” at home
Taken to hospital in ambulance (even though already “dead”)
CPR on the way to hospital
Declared “dead” at hospital
Phony autopsy {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=40}
Investigation into doctor
Different middle name (Aron vs. Aaron / Joe vs. Joseph)
This Is Elvis / This Is It (films about Elvis & MJ, released after the “deaths”)
“Death” dates equals their own concert intro, related to space (see 6-9, below)
Other numerology (see 6-8, below)
And the list goes on {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=10}.

Lisa Marie Presley reported that Michael told her: “I am afraid that I am going to end up like him [Elvis], the way he did.” {http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=42291868&blogId=497035326}. How did Elvis end up? With a fake death; so MJ must have known about it, and expected to do the same.

Yes, the “deaths” of Elvis and MJ are so similar—that if one faked his death, then so did the other. And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death! In fact, in the category of clues: we have far more clues from MJ than from Elvis.

There are a few big differences. One is the open casket for Elvis, versus closed casket for MJ. Everyone said that it did not look like Elvis in the casket (some said it looked like a wax dummy); so MJ learned from that, and had a closed casket. Another difference is that there were few if any clues from Elvis about a return/bam; but many such clues from MJ {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763}. Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public).

Whichever bam comes first (MJ or Elvis): everyone will then realize that the other one was most likely a fake death as well. In fact, we really don’t even need to wait until either bam to claim the victory; the evidence is so strong right now, that nobody can get away with ridiculing either Elvis or MJ hoax fans anymore!

In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).

For all those who have ridiculed MJ hoax fans, by saying that we are just like Elvis hoax fans: now we can heartily agree—and say yes, and in fact we now have the strongest proof that Elvis hoax fans were right all along!

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6-3 TMZ Series on Lisa Marie Presley
{http://www.tmz.com/person/lisa-marie-presley/}

Of course Lisa Marie is one of the major links between Elvis and MJ. The sunflowers have already been discussed in great length; but this redirect was more to point out the timing of these six TMZ articles about LMP. Notice that the very first mention of Elvis from TIAI was on 5-10 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9632}; the redirect for 5-11 was merely announcing Update #5 coming soon. Then on 5-12, at 5:12 AM (Pacific Time), TIAI Update (#5) was posted; later that same day, TMZ started the LMP series.

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6-4 Picture of Jesse with Benjamin
{http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/eliza_jesse_benjamin.jpg}

This redirect was a picture of Jesse, with grandson Benjamin sitting on his lap. To see the picture: click the link above, or one of these links {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page10; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10500}. That last link is a thread with some real good discussions, as well as other Elvis pictures for comparison.

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6-5 “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse”
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page39#I-spoke-with-Elvis/Jesse-(on-5-12-2010–jumpless-pointer)}

This webpage did not have an anchor at the right part of the page for a normal jump, so a “jumpless-pointer” was included in the URL. Of course there are many things on the page of interest; but the most significant was that Linda had talked with Jesse one day prior to May 13, 2010—which means that Elvis is still alive now. And we know that Linda is not a fake, because Eliza has a link to her page (see 6-7, below); and also because Linda was involved with Dr. Hinton, the one who was cleared of fraud charges {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page1}.

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6-6 TIAI Update on 5-12, and the First Syllable of EL-VIS
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10536#p176889}

As mentioned already, TMZ started their LMP series on 5-12 (see 6-3, above). On May 13, Linda said “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse yesterday” (see 6-5, above); this means that it would’ve been on 5-12, which again was the day of Update 5 being posted (and Update 5 had 12 sections). Notice also that the first syllable of EL-VIS is EL; E = 5 (fifth letter), and L = 12 (twelfth letter): 5-12 once again! Also, 5 + 1 + 2 = 8, which is the primary number in Elvis numerology (see 6-8, below).

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6-7 Eliza Presley’s Website, With Link to Linda’s Website
{http://www.elizapresley.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6}

This redirect was both for the purpose of showing Eliza’s website, and also for showing that Eliza links to Linda’s website (mentioned in 6-5, above). And notice the timing of the following entries, in relation to the TIAI Elvis redirect on 5-10-2010; as well as the TIAI Update #5a to #5d on 5-12 to 5-19 {http://www.elizapresley.org/index.php; http://www.elizapresley.org/showthread.php?t=12}.

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6-8 Elvis & MJ Numerology
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33}

This redirect was on the 8th day of the month, because 8 is the primary number in the Elvis “death” numerology. Elvis “died” on 8-16-1977. The month and day add up to 24 (8 + 16= 24); and the year adds up to 24 (1 + 9 + 7 + 7 = 24). And 24 is 8 + 8 + 8 (888); similar to the MJ numerology 777 & 999 (see below). Elvis was also born on the 8th day of the month (1-8-1935). And Elvis/Jesse has confirmed that this numerology and exact “death” date was planned, and done intentionally {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15}.

Since MJ learned from Elvis: this proves that the MJ numerology was also planned, and is not some astronomical coincidence. Since it was planned, then this shows once again that the numerology does indeed explain some of the reasons for the MJ death hoax. Below is a brief overview of some of the MJ numerology. {For more details, see: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7124; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.

MJ had “777” on his red shirt in “THIS IS IT” {also on the History album cover, etc; http://mocha-soul.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/MichaelJackson-History-Frontal2.jpg}.

MJ had 1998 on the cover of the Dangerous album, and also signed this number on many autographs. 1998 / 2 = 999; 1 + 998 = 999, 1 + 9 + 9 + 8 = 27, 2 + 7 = 9; etc. Also, “THIS IS IT” has three vowels, III = 999 (9th letter of the alphabet).

The “death” was 77 days from 9-9-09 (999), and the burial was 7 days from 9-9-09; this makes three sevens (777) linked directly with 9-9-09. {Note: you must use inclusive reckoning; see 4-10 in Update #4b, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064}. The burial was on a full moon (to the naked eye), and one day before the official full moon.

The memorial was on the 7th day of the 7th month, 7 years after the date on the will; again, three sevens (777). The memorial was also on a full moon (the official full moon, in this case).

And there are three sevens (777) in the timing of the 911 call (12:21) and the “death” (2:26). Also, the 911 call was placed at 12:21, because this number is divisible by 111—along with almost all of the MJ hoax numbers; in fact, “THIS IS IT” is 111 minutes long. Finally, the 12:21 call relates to the date 12-21-2012.

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6-9 Elvis & MJ “Death” Dates Equal Concert Intro
{http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tiai-thisisalsoit-elvisjesse-numerology-link/}

Add the day, month, and year together: 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001. This is the name of a film about space, which was a favourite of Elvis—so much so, that he used the song from it to open his concerts {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(Richard_Strauss)}.

Did MJ learn about this as well, and incorporate the same numerology clue into his own fake death? Yes, indeed he did! 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040. This is the year that MJ had clearly shown on the bottom of the space ship, in his concert intro! {See 0:15, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685}

This again proves that MJ planned his “death” to the very day, many years ago (as I have said all along). And why would 6-25-2009 need to be the exact day? Not for the memorial on 7-7-09; the “death” could’ve been before or after 6-25, and still had the memorial on the full moon July 7. It’s because 6-25-09 is the only day that is 77 days from 9-9-09; and this locks in 999 with the MJ numerology, as well as 1998 and all the rest.

If there are still some who say that they don’t believe in the numbers: don’t let them off the hook that easily; be nice, but be firm! Ask why they don’t believe in the numbers; and ask them to calculate the odds that these numbers were all coincidence. If they are not mathematical, then find a math teacher! If they really want to know the truth, and they are truly investigating, then this is the way to find out the truth. But if they don’t want to bother with any of this, then it would show that the real problem is not in the numbers; the real problem is that they don’t want the truth.

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6-10 Are TIAI Posts Too Long?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10461&start=25#p175723}

MJFAN7 wrote: “… I wasn’t looking forward to reading the long posts about TIAI Revealed until I started reading them. Then I couldn’t stop!” This is good advice, especially for those who have spent a year now investigating and researching the hoax—and yet have not spent a few days reading posts which make very clear the when, why, and even the some of the how.

On this day (6-10), discussion turned once again to the subject of who is behind TIAI and TS posts. This has been brought up repeatedly, and I have repeatedly asked: does it matter? What’s important is the accuracy of the information presented (see 6-12, below). If it’s full of holes, then step up and state your case; and if not, then accept it.

For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.

Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.

However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.

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6-11 Some Elvis Fans Have “Kept the Faith” for More than 30 Years!
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10757&start=50#p179522}

Quoting from that redirect: “It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the doubts creep in as soon as something ‘new’ happens. … When the doubts do creep in, read over the hoax summary threads and especially TS’s posts. But most importantly, keep the faith and the L.O.V.E. alive.”

It reminds me of this passage, from James: “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” (James 1:6-8).

Many Elvis fans have kept the faith for more than 30 years—with less clues than we have about MJ; it puts some of us MJ hoax fans to shame! With all the evidence we have now, especially with Elvis being alive: there is no need to waver anymore over whether MJ is alive—he has already gone back and forth from alive to dead, and back to alive again, hundreds of times! Has anybody else ever died that many times??? :lol: :lol:

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6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael {http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV}

There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837}. One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).

And for those who still aren’t sure if TS has inside information: one more time, here is the TIAI list of predictions, etc—with the latest Elvis ones added. Please note that these are merely reminders; if you are new, some of these might not make sense without reading all of the TS posts first.

#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
#20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
#21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).

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19-23
27-30
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6-13 TIAI Update #5 (by MJalive999)
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUs6Rd7dfeY}

This video is a good overview of Update #5 {see also the second half, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwQ-gvvA2g}. This was a good review, for some who were having doubts creep in (see 6-11, above). A similar video set was also done by MJDHI {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYTGMfo4TqQ&feature=PlayList&p=0C50B61CDC1A1F66&playnext_from=PL&index=0}.

Both of these video sets include a list of questions, from Update #5d. So far, I haven’t seen anyone even attempt to answer more than two or three of the questions; and the attempted answers have been rather shallow.

For example on the MJHDI YouTube video page {see last link above}, there was an answer to this question: “F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???”

Here is the answer: “Liberian Girl picture was beautiful that’s why they used it …”; at least this is a genuine attempt at answering! It’s a thousand times better than mere ridicule—which is what almost everyone resorts to, when they can’t deal with the evidence. However, it still leaves 20 out of 21 questions unanswered. Furthermore, this answer infers that all other MJ pictures are NOT “beautiful”—so in order to have beautiful pictures, they were stuck PRIMARILY using Liberian Girl pictures!?!

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6-14 Dots Of TMZ Show
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726&start=50#p163354}

In Update #5, the first letter in each section title spelled out “Dots Of TMZ Show”. Also, the title itself had dots in it: DO you Think 4 your Self? Furthermore, as lilwendy figured out {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10929#p181681}, there were also “dots within the dots” (Dots Of TMZ Show). I’m not sure if anyone noticed that the last half of “DOTS” is “TS”.

TMZ officially stands for “Thirty Mile Zone” {http://www.tmz.com/about/}. However, many hoaxers refer to it as “The Michael Zone”; and yes, as whisper figured out, the first word of each section title in Update #5c spelled out “The Michael Zone” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763&start=50#p166198}.

“Dots Of TMZ Show” was the redirect for the Murray court day; and yes, TMZ did have a show on that day. However, this redirect referred to more than just the one day; it also refers to connecting the dots both before and after June 14.

When connecting dots, you can look for the first letter in each line—such as Serenitys_Dream and others have done. However, be sure to look for more than just the first letter in each line. Sometimes the message is in the pictures, or article titles, etc. In fact, sometimes the dots are in articles which are not even MJ related—such as the “Still Alive” heading, on the 6-14 Murray court day {http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/14/england-goalie-robert-green-world-cup-photo-soccer/}.

As stated in Update #5c, however, TMZ dots are not the basis for believing in the hoax; so don’t use these as “proof” for non-believers. The TMZ show dots are hints and clues for those who already know that MJ is “still alive”.

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6-15 Running Out of Ideas?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8077&p=132300&hilit=running%20out%20of%20ideas#p132300}

This actually goes back to a thread from April 2; several on that thread thought that TS was “running out of ideas”. What do you think—looking back over the redirects and updates from April, May, and June—were they right?

Even now, I am not running out of ideas; actually, everything covered so far has just been an introductory course. :o But most people think that what I’ve written already is far too much; so how is even more going to help them?

Yes, this redirect also had the “BAM” in the signature. Especially in view of that last paragraph: Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later. There may be more redirects, but probably not on a regular or daily basis.

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6-16 (Waiting for) Update #6
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}

Just like all the other TIAI updates, there is an important date associated with the final section in this update: 6-16. June 16, 2010 is two months until the 33rd anniversary of the Elvis fake death, and 9 days until the 1st anniversary of the MJ fake death.

And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11061&start=0

http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53

http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/11/eliza-presley-case-on-track-and-moving-towards-resolution.html#more

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LETTER FROM MJ TO A FRIEND

Posted by angelbabe43 on June 25, 2010

On Thursday 24th June 2010, @souza81 said:


LETTER FROM MJ TO A FRIEND

Reading your letter I had to cry in thankfulness. For that there is someone out there who understands me. Maybe there are more. If I may I’d like to write some sentences to the people of the world. Sentences you will never find in your newspapers, because for that they are not spectacular enough.

Dear people,
I would like to ask you a question – the question WHY. Why is there so much poverty in the world? Why so many wars? Why so much torture and agony? And why must children die and innocent suffer? I don’t understand it. Do you understand it?
I want to help. I want to make people happy, and may it be just for a moment. That is what gives my life a sense. Don’t you understand me? What did I do that you judge me? Are you really envious of me? You don’t have to. I wouldn’t wish you to be me…
Maybe you just want me to confess my ‘guilt’.

Yes, it is true, I do love children! But not the way you want it to be. I love them from the bottom of my heart. Because children don’t make wars. Children have never hurt me. It makes me happy to look in their shining eyes. Is it a crime wanting to be happy and want to make others happy? Many of them who visit me are going to die soon, of cancer or other terrible diseases. I won’t let you forbid me through your arrogance to give them just one happy day!

Yes, it is true that I had plastic surgeries! Do you know what it feels like?! How often did I have to wake up in pain! How often I didn’t know what would expect me when I look into the mirror! How often did I cry when I did it! Don’t you see that I’m punishing myself for that I cannot cope with my face – and with myself! Why do you also punish me for it?

Yes, it is true, once I was black! You get darker in the sun and get admired for that. But I am sick and you hit me for it. The sun you love so much can kill me. In former times I loved to be outside in the light, too, now I can nearly only go out at night. And you make your fun out of it. If I hadn’t become the Michael Jackson you know today, then I would also be like that: I would be a white black with curls and a thick niggernose for which everybody would tease me. Well, now you tease me because of my little nose. Maybe I would already be dead because I couldn’t protect myself so good as I can today. Would you prefer it when I was dead? Or when I had never existed? But then you wouldn’t have my music! Would you like to do without ‘Billie Jean’?! My music you love though, don’t you? Just not me. But I create the music to make you happy.

You torture me with your disgraceful words. Words can sometimes hurt so much more than punchs. Often I sit in an edge and cry. I ask God for what I have to suffer, what a reason I’ve given you. Cause I never did harm to anyone. I am afraid of you ’cause you’ve hurt me so badly. And I don’t even defend myself. I simply hide behind my masks. Oh, how I hate these masks! Under them I can hardly breathe. But I have no choice, it’s the only way to protect myself. But you don’t like it when I protect myself. You’d prefer to kick a defenceless man in his face. but this favour I won’t do you. I don’t need to be ashamed for anything I’ve done. And as I can see at you, dear Unknown there are people who understand my message.

My friends and me, we don’t go into the war with tanks. We come with sunflowers to all of you even though you laugh at us and snap our flowers off. Maybe you will understand not before not only the flowers but the whole sun goes out. With my music, with what I do I would like to bring a light into the world. But is it necessary that I kill myself until someone believes me? And until someone believes me that I just want to do good things and that I suffer from your hate? But then you would be outraged: “And the children?!” Particularly you would say that, you who would love the most to take my children away from me. You say they aren’t my children. You say I couldn’t educate them. How do you want to know this?! And is it important then what blood is flowing through their veins when I would die for them? Your jealousy and your hate make you blind for what love means.

You don’t know me, nevertheless you have already judged me! You, those reporters who hammer me at the cross in the morning, you listen to my music in the evening! That is not fair! You are not interested in what you write if it just attracts readers and causes headlines. But my name is enough to attract the people. Why is it always necessary to denounce me? Why don’t you write something positive, there you wouldn’t have to search so long! Why do I have to be ‘Wacko Jacko’? Can’t you see that the only one I’m hurting is myself?! You hunt me like I was a piece of cattle. Isn’t there anybody who sees that I’m also a human being?! Where do you have your heart? Where do you have your mercy? Where do you have your love?

If just one out of ten people who get this letter tries to understand me, already then my life is it worth being lived.

Peace, Love and Kindness
From my heart, Michael Jackson.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/23sv4m

@souza81 tweeted


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MICHAEL JACKSON MAKING ANNIVERSARY APPEARANCE

Posted by angelbabe43 on June 25, 2010

SANTA BARBARA COUNTY, CA – The King of Pop is expected to make a special appearance on the anniversary of his “death.” Read the rest of this entry »

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TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI?

Posted by angelbabe43 on June 12, 2010

TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI?

Postby TS » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:50 am

TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI?

“IN WHAT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY
AS THE GREATEST DEMONSTRATION FOR FREEDOM …”

Note: TIAI Revealed has 9 parts, and may take a couple of hours to read. If that seems like too much, then please read at least this part 1 (Who Is Behind TIAI?) before deciding whether to read the rest. To read the other 8 parts, click here: {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}

TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI?
TIAI Revealed, Part 2: Outline of Redirections
TIAI Revealed, Part 3: Purpose of TIAI (R1 – R7)
TIAI Revealed, Part 4: Art Is Resistance (R8 – R12)
TIAI Revealed, Part 5: Solving the Clues (R13 – R19)
TIAI Revealed, Part 6: “This Is It” Movie Rating (R20 – R28)
TIAI Revealed, Part 7: NWO Powers Control the Mass Media (R29 – R42)
TIAI Revealed, Part 8: The End Is Near (R43 – R48)
TIAI Revealed, Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009 (R49)

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Speculation About Who Is Behind TIAI

Although many have taken http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (TIAI) seriously—and thought that either Michael Jackson himself or someone from the MJ camp is behind the TIAI redirects—yet many others have assumed that TIAI is merely someone playing with the feelings of MJ fans. And some have even attempted to dismiss TIAI by identifying a specific person or website that is operating TIAI.

Many of these web pages and hoax forums have a lot of good information on them. However, the truth is that ever since the TIAI redirections began: no statement has been made by TIAI on any website of any kind—except of course the redirections are statements; and also one short reveal date announcement was made on 12-15-09 {http://www.youtube.com/user/TIAIrevealed}.

Prior to the start of TIAI, however, I did post about half a dozen threads on MJHD; no doubt those who read my threads will remember them. In my first few posts, the information presented had amazed some of the most advanced hoax investigators—and even had some questioning whether I was MJ, or at least someone very close to MJ. At the time, I was going by the screen name S.T.U.D.Y. Once “This Is It” started showing in the theatres: it appeared as though I was “gone”; but in reality I was still watching, “directing” TIAI from behind the scenes, until the right time for me to “reappear” (does this sound familiar?).

For those who may still question the validity of TIAI, let me point out several things which should show clearly that I’m not a fake (also, anyone who reads all 9 parts should be very certain that I am not faking it).

First, I am the one who brought out the 9 parallels between the Joey Skaggs “Final Curtain” hoax, and the MJ “Final Curtain Call” hoax {http://mjdeathoax.forumotion.com/this-is-it-f9/thisisalsiitcom-t89.htm}. I am also the one who revealed the 1998 MJ autograph codes, and predicted the 9-9-09 connections to “This Is It” a couple days before 9-9-09; and indeed that prediction came true {http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm}.

I also predicted, more than a month before “This Is It” was seen by the public, that the MJ “resurrection” scene would not be at a funeral with MJ coming out of the casket; instead, I said it would be a graveyard scene, like original Thriller (see TIAI Revealed, Part 6). This came true, with the graveyard and spider “resurrection” scene during Thriller 2.

Another prediction of mine was that “This Is It” would reveal the hoax. And although the hoax was not revealed as blatantly as some of us were expecting, yet anyone who was paying attention did see the hoax revealed in the movie (lack of MJ R.I.P., or any mention of his death; Smooth Criminal hoaxed death; MJ statement after the credits; etc). Furthermore, we still haven’t seen all of “This Is It”; the DVD & Blu-ray has more, specifically on Smooth Criminal (hoax death) & Thriller (resurrection)—and you can be sure that this home version will reveal the hoax to an even greater degree than the cinema version. For more details on this rated “R” prediction, etc: see TIAI Revealed, Part 6.

If anyone questions whether I actually stated these things before the fact, and not after, you might be able to find them on Google cache. And anyone reading this now, who remembers these things, please post a comment: verifying that your memory fits with what I am saying.

At the movie premier, Jermaine said: “this is really not it, there is going to be much, much, more …” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2yIV-LaPI} There was also talk around that time of something more, relating to “This Is It”, coming out in December 2009—do you remember that? Well guess what, it is now December! And was it just a coincidence that I (S.T.U.D.Y.) am the same one who ended up with TIAI.com??

One of the first TIAI redirects was the movie trailer for “2012”; this was more than a week before the full movie was made public. Then when it was released, the public could see that the main character’s name was “Jackson”—and that he was on a mission to save the world; and they thought that he had died, but then found he was still alive; and many other parallels, that were not found in the trailer. Was it a coincidence that I redirected to the “2012” trailer, several days before the MJ parallels were known to the public?

There are many other things which should make it very clear that I am not faking it; but I won’t continue with them here—you will have to read all 9 parts to get the rest of them. And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood. Again, anyone who reads all 9 parts will have no doubt that I do have some very important information. I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you. But I will reveal this when the time is right. Anyway, how I got the information is not nearly as important as whether or not the information is true. So I am not asking anyone to believe what I say based upon my claim of where it came from; rather, I am asking you to let the evidence speak for itself.

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Speculation About the Purpose of TIAI

I love all of you hoax believers, even those who have opposed TIAI; and I also love the non-believers. In fact, I love all people of all races and all religions. But many hoax believers have not taken TIAI seriously, based primarily or entirely on assumption—not on any solid evidence. Good investigators do not dismiss any avenue of investigation, unless there is very solid evidence that it’s not valid. Actually, TIAI is the farthest from goofing around as you can possibly get; anyone who reads all 9 parts will know this for certain, without a trace of doubt.

If anyone continues to oppose TIAI, without reading these 9 parts: please remind them that MJ said “prejudice is ignorance”; and this includes more than just racial prejudice. Pre-jud-ice means to be pre-judge-ish, to judge prematurely. If someone has read all 9 parts, and still wants to oppose TIAI, that is fine; but if anyone makes objections blindly in the dark, they are prejudice. Albert Einstein said: “Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”

During the course of the redirections, a common reason given for not accepting TIAI, was that there was no new information—so apparently TIAI was getting information from hoax forums, instead of the other way around. Even if that were true (and it’s not), it wouldn’t necessarily prove that TIAI is fake; the fact is that thousands are watching TIAI, few of which are advanced hoax investigators who already know all these things—and in fact some watching aren’t even hoax believers (yet).

Another point is that even if advanced hoax investigators already know each piece in the puzzle (each redirection): this does not mean that they have already put all the puzzle pieces together, and already see the bigger picture—in fact, if they did already see the bigger picture, then why haven’t they posted it already? Again, anyone who reads all 9 parts here will see that TIAI presents a big picture which nobody else has fully brought out before now.

Finally, it is not even true that TIAI never pointed to anything new. Some examples are the Year Zero ARG (true, ARG’s had been discussed before this, but not this specific one and its relationship to the whole hoax, etc); the Art Is Resistance poster (MJ AIR); Performance Art; the JFK connection, and the George magazine title; the Titanic; and the Ark of the Covenant; etc.

A similar idea was that TIAI was merely mocking statements made on the hoax forums—such as CeeLovesMJ said “I’m going to ‘ease on down the road’”; then shortly after that, TIAI redirected to the Yellow Brick Road {http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/this-is-also-it-t3233-325.htm}. The simple fact is, as you can see the date on the forum thread, it was 11-16-09; and the redirect to the Yellow Brick Road & Emerald City had already been planned to display on 11-17-09 for several reasons, including the fact that this day was a one-time special 70th anniversary showing of the Wizard of Oz {http://www.ncm.com/Fathom/Premiere/WizardofOz_Encore.aspx}.

Especially during the redirections about JFK and conspiracies: some were saying that TIAI is merely trying to create fear, and control people through fear. This in spite of the fact that an earlier redirect said “It’s All For LOVE”; and another redirect was included after the JFK ones, saying “People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.” The purpose of TIAI is not to create fear; rather, it is to create awareness and awakening and hope, which can lead to more safety and less fear.

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Forum Discussions About TIAI Revealed

For those who want the answer to the billion-dollar question: when will MJ return? You will need to read all 9 parts, in order to get a clear answer. Also, TIAI is now going to be heavily discussed in all of the hoax forums and beyond; so if you read everything, then you will be able to join the discussions with a good understanding of the information being discussed.

For the most part, I will not be involved personally in the discussions; but I will occasionally answer objections to what I am revealing now. However, I don’t know everything, and I won’t attempt to answer questions about MJ or the hoax that are not directly related to the subjects in these 9 parts.

For those who are interested, please feel free to post your comments on these TIAI Revealed threads. However, please be careful to stay on topic; there will be thousands of people or more, reading these posts. Since there is already a lot to read, we don’t want them to spend even more time reading through things that are not related. Also, try to keep your discussion under the most relevant thread in the 9 parts (for example: discuss 911 in part 4, which had a specific redirect about 911—rather than part 7, which just briefly mentioned 911 along with several other conspiracies).

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